Michael chertoff
03-28 08:31 PM
Not sure what you mean here. MC is not angry at me, If anything he is angry at snathan :D
Also i admire you digging through my old emails to get that nugget of information out but you wasted your time going through the old posts unless it has opened your minds at last but wait !!!!! what am i thinking. You belong to the 2 gang !!!!
Also the reason for the . is very simple. I was using it to test whether my post was still being blocked by IV or not. ironic huh :)
Now i don't need to prove anything. You have done that by your reply.
Garv Se Bolo Legal Immigrant
Garv Se Bolo Regular (Not Highly) educated Skilled applicant for GC
Garv Se Bolo EB3 I
Plainspeak.. I dont get mad at females... You have lots of time and sounds to me you are single. PM me your number we can talk and pass some time.
in case you are male.. still pass me your number.. we can still talk and fight.
No point in getting angry in forum. talk to me face to face.
and for snathan, i am not mad at him i just want to know his PD..
Also i admire you digging through my old emails to get that nugget of information out but you wasted your time going through the old posts unless it has opened your minds at last but wait !!!!! what am i thinking. You belong to the 2 gang !!!!
Also the reason for the . is very simple. I was using it to test whether my post was still being blocked by IV or not. ironic huh :)
Now i don't need to prove anything. You have done that by your reply.
Garv Se Bolo Legal Immigrant
Garv Se Bolo Regular (Not Highly) educated Skilled applicant for GC
Garv Se Bolo EB3 I
Plainspeak.. I dont get mad at females... You have lots of time and sounds to me you are single. PM me your number we can talk and pass some time.
in case you are male.. still pass me your number.. we can still talk and fight.
No point in getting angry in forum. talk to me face to face.
and for snathan, i am not mad at him i just want to know his PD..
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piyu7444
03-20 10:01 PM
Thanks piyu7444.
Yes there is and it is called visa portability. :)
Ok, Here's the law says about so called "transfer"
D. AC21 105 -- Visa portability
The AC21 105 provides that a nonimmigrant who was previously issued an H-lB visa or provided H-1B nonimmigrant status may begin working for a new H-lB employer as soon as that new employer files a "nonfrivolous" H-lB petition on the nonimmigrant's behalf, if:
(a) the nonimmigrant was lawfully admitted to the United States;
(b) the nonfrivolous petition for new employment was filed before the end of their period of authorized stay; and
(c) the nonimmigrant has not been employed without authorization since his lawful admission to the United States, and before the filing of the nonfrivolous petition.
The status of a dependent of a principal nonimmigrant that is working pursuant to portability benefits is derivative of and linked to the status of the principal nonimmigrant. Therefore, dependents will remain in H-4 status if the principal nonimmigrant is lawfully working pursuant to portability benefits.
Further it says,
The Service expects, therefore, to propose a rule that would afford H-lB beneficiaries, who are no longer working for the initial H-lB employer, some reasonable period of time such as 60 days after leaving the initial H-lB employer to begin working for a new H-lB petitioning employer under the portability provisions. It is important to note that such a proposed rule would not, of course, take effect until it has been published as a final rule, after notice and comment, and any revisions. This prospective statement of policy is provided solely for informational purposes to Service personnel and shall not be utilized as a standard of adjudication in cases involving portability issues, unless and until promulgation of a final rule implementing AC21 105 with such an interpretation. Service personnel will be notified of any changes in the processing of AC21 benefits that may occur upon the effective date of a final rule.
There are few other memo's on this I will try to post the links for reference
Good information but 'transfer' is a widely used word which is technically incorrect. "Transfer" never happens, its always a NEW PETITION when one switches employer or applies (through an employer) for authorization to work for new or 2nd employer. Probably 95% immigrant community including lawyers use the term 'transfer' but it is indeed incorrect.
Thanks to all who shared knowledge and pitched in.
Yes there is and it is called visa portability. :)
Ok, Here's the law says about so called "transfer"
D. AC21 105 -- Visa portability
The AC21 105 provides that a nonimmigrant who was previously issued an H-lB visa or provided H-1B nonimmigrant status may begin working for a new H-lB employer as soon as that new employer files a "nonfrivolous" H-lB petition on the nonimmigrant's behalf, if:
(a) the nonimmigrant was lawfully admitted to the United States;
(b) the nonfrivolous petition for new employment was filed before the end of their period of authorized stay; and
(c) the nonimmigrant has not been employed without authorization since his lawful admission to the United States, and before the filing of the nonfrivolous petition.
The status of a dependent of a principal nonimmigrant that is working pursuant to portability benefits is derivative of and linked to the status of the principal nonimmigrant. Therefore, dependents will remain in H-4 status if the principal nonimmigrant is lawfully working pursuant to portability benefits.
Further it says,
The Service expects, therefore, to propose a rule that would afford H-lB beneficiaries, who are no longer working for the initial H-lB employer, some reasonable period of time such as 60 days after leaving the initial H-lB employer to begin working for a new H-lB petitioning employer under the portability provisions. It is important to note that such a proposed rule would not, of course, take effect until it has been published as a final rule, after notice and comment, and any revisions. This prospective statement of policy is provided solely for informational purposes to Service personnel and shall not be utilized as a standard of adjudication in cases involving portability issues, unless and until promulgation of a final rule implementing AC21 105 with such an interpretation. Service personnel will be notified of any changes in the processing of AC21 benefits that may occur upon the effective date of a final rule.
There are few other memo's on this I will try to post the links for reference
Good information but 'transfer' is a widely used word which is technically incorrect. "Transfer" never happens, its always a NEW PETITION when one switches employer or applies (through an employer) for authorization to work for new or 2nd employer. Probably 95% immigrant community including lawyers use the term 'transfer' but it is indeed incorrect.
Thanks to all who shared knowledge and pitched in.
yabadaba
07-17 08:29 PM
i think this is the same guy who created a huge fuss on july 2nd when we found out that all 485s will be rejected and said that we all deserve it since we did not "remember" people in pbec.
do u want to go thru somthing like that again....by unbanning him?
bestia do not feel sorry for ppl like these...because they kick you when u r happy
do u want to go thru somthing like that again....by unbanning him?
bestia do not feel sorry for ppl like these...because they kick you when u r happy
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Alabaman
06-26 10:52 AM
Kennedy talking about Labor Unions.
Its 11am now and I believe they're supposed to start at 10am. Does anyone know what's going on?
Its 11am now and I believe they're supposed to start at 10am. Does anyone know what's going on?
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nrakkati
03-20 08:41 PM
Ask your attorney to write a letter in response to RFE and explaining the situation you never took the job with employer X though the H1B transfer or new is approved, this will clear the query of USCIS. One catch, you should have maintained a continuous employment with #2 and demonstrate the same to USCIS. Good luck!
Note H1 to L1, H4 to H1, L1 to H1 is completely different, it is change of status - H1 to H1 is not change of status, so there is no question that you recent h1 is valid and past is invalid. Get an attorney, Good weekend
Thanks wandmaker.
Note H1 to L1, H4 to H1, L1 to H1 is completely different, it is change of status - H1 to H1 is not change of status, so there is no question that you recent h1 is valid and past is invalid. Get an attorney, Good weekend
Thanks wandmaker.
bestia
07-17 08:49 PM
I got intrigued about bigtime. Looked something up. Here is his post
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=84985#post84985
Note, posted on 06-16-2007.
"How long has your case been pending? My case is pending for only one month, not sure if my lawyer and employer will send email for me."
Which case is pending? LC? PERM? ONE MONTHS? Is this a BEC victim?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=84985#post84985
Note, posted on 06-16-2007.
"How long has your case been pending? My case is pending for only one month, not sure if my lawyer and employer will send email for me."
Which case is pending? LC? PERM? ONE MONTHS? Is this a BEC victim?
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satyasaich
02-12 10:29 PM
I don't know what the hell you are up to or you are expecting from IV? Remember they are just like you and me, feeling the pain of broken system. BUT, there is a difference
They stood up bravely to spread the word about all of us. Earlier no one in the capital hill spread the word for persons like you and me.
simple political equation why we (means IV) should also change the strategy. Need to work with someone much closer to Dem. Party and inner circles. I hope you are well educated enough to understand these kind of things. If not atleast do the following favour.
Send a PM to me and we WILL talk.
I'm not a core member,but a member though.
Hence i feel i also have responsibility to CLEAR some of your concerns and will do my best.
I'm a proud supporter of IV and will be.Kindly don't ever make bold statements. Your life is yours, but IV deserve some respect.
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Contributed so far more than $500
Signed up for recurring contribution of $50/Month
Introduced atleast 14 members so far.
ok, i am beginning to lose confidence now... first no i-485 relief and now wait till CIR>.....last year, CIR turned out to be a big circus....i hope this time something productive happens....
why are we changing lobbying firm? what do you mean it is a strategic decision?
are we dissatisfied with our lobbying firm? pm me if you can post on public forum..
but we need answers....this leadership is going nowhere now......
They stood up bravely to spread the word about all of us. Earlier no one in the capital hill spread the word for persons like you and me.
simple political equation why we (means IV) should also change the strategy. Need to work with someone much closer to Dem. Party and inner circles. I hope you are well educated enough to understand these kind of things. If not atleast do the following favour.
Send a PM to me and we WILL talk.
I'm not a core member,but a member though.
Hence i feel i also have responsibility to CLEAR some of your concerns and will do my best.
I'm a proud supporter of IV and will be.Kindly don't ever make bold statements. Your life is yours, but IV deserve some respect.
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Contributed so far more than $500
Signed up for recurring contribution of $50/Month
Introduced atleast 14 members so far.
ok, i am beginning to lose confidence now... first no i-485 relief and now wait till CIR>.....last year, CIR turned out to be a big circus....i hope this time something productive happens....
why are we changing lobbying firm? what do you mean it is a strategic decision?
are we dissatisfied with our lobbying firm? pm me if you can post on public forum..
but we need answers....this leadership is going nowhere now......
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factoryman
02-12 11:49 AM
The American Academy of Nursing is NOT in poor light. Did you read their prescription for the nurses staffing and issues related to it?
With comments like these, we are digging our own grave. The issue is retrogression and not hopital and health care economics. I pay USD 14000 for a family of four and by god's grace, never been to one.
I know may of these nurses who are being exploited by the bodyshops like HLG. They pay a meagre salary to nurses and exploit them on signed contract. Please, please.. use your brains minus emotion.
May 26, 2006
Letters to the Editor
The New York Times
229 West 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036
Re: "U.S. Plan to Lure Nurses May Hurt Poor Nations" (Celia W. Dugger, May 24, 2006)
Addressing the U.S. nursing shortage is critical to providing quality health care, and the American Academy of Nursing (AAN) is working to identify ways to ease this shortage within our own boarders.
Your article addressed the fact that the capacity at the nation's nursing schools is limited and therefore applicants are turned away. Student capacity at nursing schools could be expanded by increasing the number of doctorally prepared faculty and making sure institutions offer the necessary pre-requisite courses for potential nurses to increase the pool of qualified applicants.
More must be done to retain qualified nurses by improving the working environment. The AAN has commissioned a task force to identify ways to have technology aid us in reducing the administrative workload of nurses in order to allow more time for patient care.
Before we look elsewhere, there is more we can do in the United States to recruit and retain talented nurses.
Sincerely,
Linda Burnes Bolton, DrPH, RN, FAAN
President
American Academy of Nursing
American Academy of Nursing (http://www.aannet.org/news/2006/06022006.asp)
nurses are needed in hospitals. ever been to one in the US? there is a big shortage of nurses. opposing numbers for nurses is unethical, because lives are saved in hospitals, and will show us in poor light.
With comments like these, we are digging our own grave. The issue is retrogression and not hopital and health care economics. I pay USD 14000 for a family of four and by god's grace, never been to one.
I know may of these nurses who are being exploited by the bodyshops like HLG. They pay a meagre salary to nurses and exploit them on signed contract. Please, please.. use your brains minus emotion.
May 26, 2006
Letters to the Editor
The New York Times
229 West 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036
Re: "U.S. Plan to Lure Nurses May Hurt Poor Nations" (Celia W. Dugger, May 24, 2006)
Addressing the U.S. nursing shortage is critical to providing quality health care, and the American Academy of Nursing (AAN) is working to identify ways to ease this shortage within our own boarders.
Your article addressed the fact that the capacity at the nation's nursing schools is limited and therefore applicants are turned away. Student capacity at nursing schools could be expanded by increasing the number of doctorally prepared faculty and making sure institutions offer the necessary pre-requisite courses for potential nurses to increase the pool of qualified applicants.
More must be done to retain qualified nurses by improving the working environment. The AAN has commissioned a task force to identify ways to have technology aid us in reducing the administrative workload of nurses in order to allow more time for patient care.
Before we look elsewhere, there is more we can do in the United States to recruit and retain talented nurses.
Sincerely,
Linda Burnes Bolton, DrPH, RN, FAAN
President
American Academy of Nursing
American Academy of Nursing (http://www.aannet.org/news/2006/06022006.asp)
nurses are needed in hospitals. ever been to one in the US? there is a big shortage of nurses. opposing numbers for nurses is unethical, because lives are saved in hospitals, and will show us in poor light.
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kshitijnt
06-14 02:35 AM
Good news after 2 bad years :) Just adding my 2C. Thanks IV!
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gcseeker2002
12-01 09:29 AM
The basic idea behind this approach is to channel all the negative energy into something positive.
Here is what me and my wife are doing. When the retrogression first hit us in 2005 January we were both devastated even more so because one my friend and his wife, with same the same priority date as ours and similar EB3 RIR got the Green Card on 24 Dec 2004. We would not have been so frustrated if they had the priority date even a month or so before us. But some are just lucky I guess. Coming back to what we are doing. My wife started her masters and finished in May this year. She could have finished in December but we were really banking on the CIR in May so she took more courses and finished it faster. Well that did not happen so whats next. So now I will be starting school again for second Masters this time MBA from one of the top10 B schools in January 2007. Ideally I wanted to do Full Time because its shorter duration as compared to part time but GC God (I wish there was one like that so that I can do the "Nariyal Pooja" or "Mundan" or "Abhishek") had otherr wishes so I have now switched from full time to part time. Lets see if my part time MBA of 4 years wins the race or Green Card wins the racce against time.
Moral of the story. Channelize your energy into something positive and get masters or second for that matter, or learn a new language, enroll in classes to learn languages that run for 6 months at community classees by the time you get your GC you will know atleast a dozen languages.
Lage Raho GC Bhai....
I know these are good ways to keep our mind off the gc, but for most of us who have spent 9 -10 years waiting and have family responsibilities, the steam of further studies has ran out especially if you have to pay for it yourself.
Here is what me and my wife are doing. When the retrogression first hit us in 2005 January we were both devastated even more so because one my friend and his wife, with same the same priority date as ours and similar EB3 RIR got the Green Card on 24 Dec 2004. We would not have been so frustrated if they had the priority date even a month or so before us. But some are just lucky I guess. Coming back to what we are doing. My wife started her masters and finished in May this year. She could have finished in December but we were really banking on the CIR in May so she took more courses and finished it faster. Well that did not happen so whats next. So now I will be starting school again for second Masters this time MBA from one of the top10 B schools in January 2007. Ideally I wanted to do Full Time because its shorter duration as compared to part time but GC God (I wish there was one like that so that I can do the "Nariyal Pooja" or "Mundan" or "Abhishek") had otherr wishes so I have now switched from full time to part time. Lets see if my part time MBA of 4 years wins the race or Green Card wins the racce against time.
Moral of the story. Channelize your energy into something positive and get masters or second for that matter, or learn a new language, enroll in classes to learn languages that run for 6 months at community classees by the time you get your GC you will know atleast a dozen languages.
Lage Raho GC Bhai....
I know these are good ways to keep our mind off the gc, but for most of us who have spent 9 -10 years waiting and have family responsibilities, the steam of further studies has ran out especially if you have to pay for it yourself.
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eb3_nepa
07-05 10:47 AM
Yes but dont you think that the Call Center would be notified about the same??
Guess what I called again and this time the poor soul knew NOTHING about I-485 rejections!! :p He put me on hold and finally said, "We have received no such notice that they are rejecting I-485s, so if you applied it should be processed".
So much for "educated" call center workers. If this call center was in India, atleast we would all get ONE answer. It may have been the wrong answer, but atleast it would be CONSISTENT :P
Guess what I called again and this time the poor soul knew NOTHING about I-485 rejections!! :p He put me on hold and finally said, "We have received no such notice that they are rejecting I-485s, so if you applied it should be processed".
So much for "educated" call center workers. If this call center was in India, atleast we would all get ONE answer. It may have been the wrong answer, but atleast it would be CONSISTENT :P
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kumaabh
09-12 07:03 PM
What are we supposed to do now?? we should make this an IV campaign issue. USCIS is not following the rules set by congress. AC-21 is the law and USCIS is not following the law and causing hassel to the legal immigrant community. The legal immigrant community should really do something about this.
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Jaime
09-07 11:15 AM
Let's go, let's change people's minds so that we can ALL attend the DC rally on the 18th!!!!
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garybanz
09-20 01:51 PM
San Jose was a local CA event planned almost spontaneously. DC was an event planned months in advance. People were offered Free ride, Free plane fare, Free food (in Gurdwaras). Yet how many participated?
I have been refraining from posting on this point, as I wouldn't like to belittle the contributions of the strong team from California and the numbers they brought to the rally.
But let's face it. CA has more EB immigrants than the next three. Look at the recent 2006 Performance report from DoL (available at Mathew Oh website). CA had 21,000+ labor petitions compared to NY - 7,000, NJ - 7,000(?) , TX - 5000. As you can see CA scores more than the next three states put together.
If 40 people participate from NY, it's as good as 120 from Cal. Percentagewise it would be the same. If 40 peope walk in Michigan ( 2000 Labor petitions) statistically it would surpass CA, percentagewise.
It's a known thing that only 5%-10% of the population participates actively in the most successful movements be it American Revolution or struggle for Indian Independence. We haven't reached that critical mass yet ( at the regional level)
There is an enthusiasm right now. But how long before the fatigue sets in? Rallies need to be minimal, held with certain strategic target and should serve some specific purpose.
Weekend rallies attracting bigger crowds is a myth. Be prepared to listen to reasons like - Shucks I have to mow the lawn, take kids to Bharatanatyam dance classes, I have relatives over for lunch etc.
With that logic if we hold rallies over the LONG weekends, we should attract bigger crowd, since people have 2-3 days to relax afterwards. And since people already plan to visit Orlando, LA etc to visit Disneyland, Universal etc., if we can hold rallies there we should attract the highest possible crowd. Do you think my idea will work?
I agree with you 100%. Question is - who'll bell the cat? Who will take the lead and sacrifice their time, family life etc. to plan, organize and conduct these?
We need a fearless leader like Aman Kapoor, who can motivate and inspire people to participate, in every state. Where can we find them?
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
I have been refraining from posting on this point, as I wouldn't like to belittle the contributions of the strong team from California and the numbers they brought to the rally.
But let's face it. CA has more EB immigrants than the next three. Look at the recent 2006 Performance report from DoL (available at Mathew Oh website). CA had 21,000+ labor petitions compared to NY - 7,000, NJ - 7,000(?) , TX - 5000. As you can see CA scores more than the next three states put together.
If 40 people participate from NY, it's as good as 120 from Cal. Percentagewise it would be the same. If 40 peope walk in Michigan ( 2000 Labor petitions) statistically it would surpass CA, percentagewise.
It's a known thing that only 5%-10% of the population participates actively in the most successful movements be it American Revolution or struggle for Indian Independence. We haven't reached that critical mass yet ( at the regional level)
There is an enthusiasm right now. But how long before the fatigue sets in? Rallies need to be minimal, held with certain strategic target and should serve some specific purpose.
Weekend rallies attracting bigger crowds is a myth. Be prepared to listen to reasons like - Shucks I have to mow the lawn, take kids to Bharatanatyam dance classes, I have relatives over for lunch etc.
With that logic if we hold rallies over the LONG weekends, we should attract bigger crowd, since people have 2-3 days to relax afterwards. And since people already plan to visit Orlando, LA etc to visit Disneyland, Universal etc., if we can hold rallies there we should attract the highest possible crowd. Do you think my idea will work?
I agree with you 100%. Question is - who'll bell the cat? Who will take the lead and sacrifice their time, family life etc. to plan, organize and conduct these?
We need a fearless leader like Aman Kapoor, who can motivate and inspire people to participate, in every state. Where can we find them?
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
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angelfire76
02-14 09:05 PM
For any effort towards making this happen. This will be a huge benefit for those of us who missed the July 2007 lottery. The only AC21 rejection that I've personally known is of a guy who quit after getting his EAD and started a business: consulting business to be PC. Made himself the "Chief Architect" and CIS said that his job description does not in anyway match his PERM application.
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ash0210
12-01 07:33 PM
How about sending $1 check to USCIS Director Martinez as he is raising processing fees for every application?
walking_dude
09-20 02:16 PM
Nothing succeeds without leadership and proper plans. If we go by the current rule - every one is a leader - we will learn soon 'Too many Cooks spoiled the broth'. If each person steering the boat paddles in a different direction, boat will go in circles.
Focus is the most important factor in success. Right now, I'm focussed on what's getting posted here, as I don't have anything else to focus on till I hear the next secret broadcast , which I never get.
Sales/Marketing is severely lacked in promoting State chapters. IV website does provide good info on filing 485, other forms, suggestions etc. What's the incentive in becoming a State chapter member? What are the costs vs. benefits? Unless people find benefits they'll not volunteer. It's hard to sell only 'action items'. Baits such as Free legal help, help filling Immigration forms (by experienced members) etc. may motivate people and make them sympathetic to our cause.
If we stick to 'Don't ask what we can do for you, ask what you can do for us', we won't go far with it.
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
Focus is the most important factor in success. Right now, I'm focussed on what's getting posted here, as I don't have anything else to focus on till I hear the next secret broadcast , which I never get.
Sales/Marketing is severely lacked in promoting State chapters. IV website does provide good info on filing 485, other forms, suggestions etc. What's the incentive in becoming a State chapter member? What are the costs vs. benefits? Unless people find benefits they'll not volunteer. It's hard to sell only 'action items'. Baits such as Free legal help, help filling Immigration forms (by experienced members) etc. may motivate people and make them sympathetic to our cause.
If we stick to 'Don't ask what we can do for you, ask what you can do for us', we won't go far with it.
The answer is we all will have to bell the cat...and it will take more than a few attempts to do that.
IMHO, we should focus on what we can do rather than focusing on what some people could have done or what some one did to dampen the last attempt.
People will always find time for what is important to them; all we can do is try to make it more convenient and keep giving then enough opportunities.
We should have some sales/marketing people on this forum; they could have told us about how long it takes to convert a prospect to a customer.
Have faith my friend...
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